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Personal profile:
almost 30, male, Chinese living in western Europe for 6 years, GMAT 720(v36, Q51), IELTS 7.5(speaking part is only 6.5 which should not be since English is my only working language).

Academic background:
1. Bsc in Computer Science in China, 7.7/10 (to answer your questions below, I'm going to assume this was around the top 50% in class)
2. Msc in Information System in the Netherlands, 7/10
3. Advanced degree program (with a professional doctorate degree) in software technology in the Netherlands

 

Work experience:
1. Two years as the software engineer in China for a large Chinese company. Built and led a team of 4 engineers and a few small projects, though without the manager title. Also travelled a few times for customer service
2. Two years as the software engineer in Europe for a Fortune200 electronic company (like Simens). As the owner of some key product features, I mainly work on the software development, but also on product development, customer service, and lead a few cross-department and international assignments. As the only representive of my department colleagues, I was also seleted to work with other committee members on improving the employee engagement of our business unit.

 

Extracurriculum
I am always active on building and maintaining the online alumni networks for my high school class, my university class and I am the cofounder of the largest professional group of Chinese exparts in the Netherlands. I also led a large student association of more than 100 when I was at university. In the past 2 years, however, I didn't contribute to community service. But I am a top player of the soccer team of our business unit, and played in this years's corporate international soccer tournament.

 

Career goal
My real dream job is strategic consulting or VC in the IT industry. To better associate my goals with my past experience, I plan to mention in the essay my plan to work for IT consulting after MBA, or to build a IT consulting start-up in China. I have IT work experience in China and Europe, and I have domain knowledge of IT systems for power energy, high-tech and medical device/healthcare.

 

My question:
1. How do you think about my career goal? Does it look ambitious enough and also realistic?

You are going in the right direction. Based on our experience, your career plan is likely to be stronger if you:
- Focus either on the start-up-in-China option or the IT-consulting-job option. I like the first option a bit better - higher stakes in the long term, well connected with your Chinese background, and possibly igniting the imagination of adcoms (in the minds of many admission committee members, China is still a fairly hot name economy-wise, with promising entrepreneurial opportunities).
If you go for the IT consulting job - are you able to get an offer from the fortune-200 company for a position you may undertake upon graduating?
- Consider focusing your career plan on either energy IT or healthcare IT (pick the one you have more passion about and/or more experience in).  

2. What schools are my stretchs and fits? I am planning to apply in Europe and US. How about Yale, MIT, Duke, Ross and LBS, Insead?

Based on the info you provided, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations, my impression is that you'll be a competitive candidate at Ross and LBS, between competitive and stretch at Yale, Duke and INSEAD, and stretch at schools such as Wharton and MIT. If you're able to show a clear path of career progress, and if your class rank is better than the one I assumed above - this will upgrade my evaluation.

Your IELTS score passes the minimum at most programs. However, notice that most top US MBA programs will not accept the IELTS, and you'll need to take the TOEFL exam (of your M.Sc. degree was in English you should check waiver options).


3. I am considering changing to a product development job at the same campany, or to a software developer job at a famous trading firm that gives me more exposure to finance. Do you think the new jobs worth me delaying my application for a year?

Based only on the information provided, and under the assumptions that your new job title will not be much more impressive than your current title and that you will not be managing a significant amount of people, I think you're better off applying this year. You will still be able, of course, to re-apply next year if needed.

Thanks in advance

Sure. Hope this helps.

 


Gil Levi

Academic Director

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Edited Oct-7   by  Gil_Levi
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Edited Oct-8   by  Gil_Levi
  • Posted: Oct-7
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Hi Gil,

Thanks for all the great advice you have been giving on this forum. I was hoping you could answer a couple of my questions:
I am targetting Tier 2 Schools(tepper for now Round 2)


Age:22
Gender: Male
Natioanlity: Indian
Undergrad: B.E from PUNJAB ENGINEERING COLLEGE(PEC) chandigarh - 53% (Second class -
GMAT: 710(91%)        (V-37 81%, Q-50 91 %, AWA - 5.5)
 
Working for a small manufacturing firm in OTTAWA CANADA for the last 16 months.The firm has 10 employees and no HR department
I was under the impression that -unless you graduated from the IIT's or other Tier 1 institutes of  other disciplines- the adcoms did not care which college you graduated from.But after skimming through various threads on this forums and others , My opinions have changed.
Ques 1.Am i right in assuming that the reputation of the institutes of non US applicants does matter?
 
MY institute PEC was very prestigious , regularly featured in the rankings, and had an inordinately high cutoff for acceptance.
 
My undergraduate performance(53% second division) was below par and this is causing me a lot of anxiety.
Nevertheless i have done a lot to mitigate the low GPA
Did well on the GMAT(710)
Cleared CFA level 1 exam
Continuous work progression
Ques 2Will this Suffice?
 
I cant take graded courses at university due to professional commitments
 
 
Ques 3: Does working for a small firm with 10 employees and no HR department negatively affect my odds of acceptance?
 
I am working on 2 career scripts right now
 
1 involves getting into operations management
 
in the second script i switch over to finace
 
which ever script i finally use , I will be putting forth the other as a contigency plan.( I am not sure which 1 yet)
 
Assume strong insightful essays and favorable recommendations
 
 
Thanks
Burberry
Edited Oct-7   by  burberry
  • Posted: Oct-8
  • 22 of 94
Hi Gil,

Thanks for all the great advice you have been giving on this forum. Thanks! I was hoping you could answer a couple of my questions:
I am targetting Tier 2 Schools(tepper for now Round 2)


Age:22
Gender: Male
Natioanlity: Indian
Undergrad: B.E from PUNJAB ENGINEERING COLLEGE(PEC) chandigarh - 53% (Second class -
GMAT: 710(91%)        (V-37 81%, Q-50 91 %, AWA - 5.5)
 
Working for a small manufacturing firm in OTTAWA CANADA for the last 16 months.The firm has 10 employees and no HR department
I was under the impression that -unless you graduated from the IIT's or other Tier 1 institutes of  other disciplines- the adcoms did not care which college you graduated from.But after skimming through various threads on this forums and others , My opinions have changed. Well, let's not sell PEC too short, it is among the well known, top engineering schools in the country.
Ques 1.Am i right in assuming that the reputation of the institutes of non US applicants does matter?
There's a short and a long answer to this one.
 
The short answer is that in your case, on average (meaning, across the different top-MBA programs), the impact of the inistitute's name would be small to medium (closer to small). The impact of your rank in class will be high.  
 
The longer answer is that the importance could go anywhere from small to high depending on who will be reading your application, and who will be interviewing you. When the reader/interviewer is either Indian or a professional, full-time admissions committee member (as in HBS, for example), the impact of the institute's name is likely to be high. When the reader/interviewer is not Indian and is a student/alumnus of the school, his or her familiarity with the differences between Indian schools is likely to be very limited (to IIT possibly...), and therefore the impact of the name is likely to be low.
 
MY institute PEC was very prestigious , regularly featured in the rankings, and had an inordinately high cutoff for acceptance.
 
My undergraduate performance(53% second division) was below par and this is causing me a lot of anxiety.
Nevertheless i have done a lot to mitigate the low GPA
Did well on the GMAT(710)
Cleared CFA level 1 exam
Continuous work progression
Ques 2Will this Suffice?
 
I cant take graded courses at university due to professional commitments
On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations, our experience shows that you will be a competitive-to-stretch candidate at Tepper (closer to competitive).
 
Ques 3: Does working for a small firm with 10 employees and no HR department negatively affect my odds of acceptance?
 
I am working on 2 career scripts right now
 
1 involves getting into operations management
 
in the second script i switch over to finace
 
which ever script i finally use , I will be putting forth the other as a contigency plan.( I am not sure which 1 yet)
 
Assume strong insightful essays and favorable recommendations
 
Assuming you will manage your application process reasonably well, the existence of an HR department or lack thereof is not likely to have any impact on your admission chances.
The amount of employees in and of itself is likely to have a small impact. What will have a much bigger impact is the firm's brand recognition among the adcoms of the schools you're applying to, the firm's position in its market, the amount of people you manage, promotions that you recieved, your achivements, and your title. According to our exeperience, the fact that you have less than 2 years of work experience will have a small-to-medium negative impact on your admission chances.
 
Thanks
Burberry
 
You're most welcome. Hope this helps.
Gil

Gil Levi

Academic Director

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  • Posted: Oct-8
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Thank you for your observations. I will admit that i am a little disheartened as I thought i would be extremely competitive at Tepper.Nevertheless, I will appreciate  continued  candour- however brutal it maybe- in your professional opinions 

I dont think the adcoms at the Tier 2 universities namely SMU COX , Tepper and Tippie would be familiar with the company that I am working for or its core competencies 

I would also like to point out that I will have around 28 months of work experience by next september- the time i would be matriculating, in the event of an acceptance   . Isnt that what counts?

 

Finally do you feel my queries are inappropriate for this thread , since you have always marketed yourself as consultants for Top 10 programs

 

Thanks

Burberry

Edited Oct-8   by  burberry
  • Posted: Oct-8
  • 24 of 94

Hi Gil,

I really appreciate the way you have helping the aspirants assess their profile.
I am another in the line :)

Work-Ex (2 years 3 months in sep,2010) : In Telecom Industry.A leading multinational. Worked in a very important project and biggest one in the Industry. Mentored a few of colleagues.

While In College,I was the co-founder of an organisation aimed at providing valuable leadership experience to young students and simultaneously doing communnity work. Started the ground operations and led to a volunteer strength of more than 100.Impressive statistics.(worked for two full years on ground while completing my undergrad). Faced a host of leadership issues as motivation,fund generation,brand building and Leadership succession.
Resolved all these issues without any prior knoweledge of management.
Currently mentoring the volunteers on ground.

GMAT : 760 (q 49, V 44)

UIndergrad GPA : 7.35/10. On conversion to a 4 scale ,It should be above 3.25.

With this profile where do you think I should apply ? and can you please help me in this regard.

  • Posted: Oct-11
  • 25 of 94

Thank you for your observations. I will admit that i am a little disheartened as I thought i would be extremely competitive at Tepper.Nevertheless, I will appreciate  continued  candour- however brutal it maybe- in your professional opinions 

I dont think the adcoms at the Tier 2 universities namely SMU COX , Tepper and Tippie would be familiar with the company that I am working for or its core competencies 

I would also like to point out that I will have around 28 months of work experience by next september- the time i would be matriculating, in the event of an acceptance   . Isnt that what counts?


The average Tepper admit has over 50 months of full-time work exeprience upon matriculation. As you go below 36 months, it gets a bit harder to get in. As you got below 30 months, it gets even harder. Therefore, I'd give the amount of work experience a small-to-medium negative weight in your case. Of course, you may still get accepted if other stats/credentials/achievements, and the quality of your application, compensate strongly enough for the GPA and work experience minuses.


Finally do you feel my queries are inappropriate for this thread , since you have always marketed yourself as consultants for Top 10 programs


Our expertise is the top-10 MBA programs. However, over the years our team (initially operating as Aringo) helped engineers get into each and every other top-20 school.
In fact, at least a couple of the engineers that we helped got a full scholarship at Tepper upon acceptance.

 

Thanks

Burberry

Good luck Burberry.

Gil


Gil Levi

Academic Director

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Edited Oct-11   by  Gil_Levi
Edited Oct-11   by  Gil_Levi
Edited Oct-11   by  Gil_Levi
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Edited Oct-14   by  Gil_Levi
  • Posted: Oct-11
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Hi Gil,

I really appreciate the way you have helping the aspirants assess their profile.
I am another in the line :) Thanks, happy to help

Work-Ex (2 years 3 months in sep,2010) : In Telecom Industry.A leading multinational. Worked in a very important project and biggest one in the Industry. Mentored a few of colleagues.

While In College,I was the co-founder of an organisation aimed at providing valuable leadership experience to young students and simultaneously doing communnity work. Started the ground operations and led to a volunteer strength of more than 100.Impressive statistics.(worked for two full years on ground while completing my undergrad). Faced a host of leadership issues as motivation,fund generation,brand building and Leadership succession.
Resolved all these issues without any prior knoweledge of management.
Currently mentoring the volunteers on ground.

GMAT : 760 (q 49, V 44)

UIndergrad GPA : 7.35/10. On conversion to a 4 scale ,It should be above 3.25. I'll work under the assumption that the rank in class was top 50%. In terms of admission chances, the rank in class is often the most important undergrad parameter (the others being the name of the college, the GPA and the major).

With this profile where do you think I should apply ?

On the basis of the information above, and under the assumption of strong essays and recommendations, our experience shows that you will be a strong candidate with potential for a significant scholarship at McCombs, Eller, Smith (Maryland), IE (in Spain) and Carlson, a competitive-to-strong candidate (closer to strong) at Tepper, competitive at Haas and INSEAD (France), competitive-to-stretch at MIT Sloan, Wharton and Stanford (the GPA will be a significant concern), and stretch at Harvard.

I focused mostly on schools which are fairly strong in tech.
Hope this gives you a general picture in terms of chances. In addition to chances, your school selection strategy should probably also be derived from considerations such as location preference, the specialization you're interested in / career plan focus, family considerations, financial considerations (and chances for financial aid), program length preference, acadmic approach preference (lectures? case studies?) and school culture considerations.


and can you please help me in this regard.

Based on the data above, yes, we will support your candidacy. Please contact us here

Good luck!

Gil




Gil Levi

Academic Director

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www.Vocaz.com

Edited Oct-11   by  Gil_Levi
  • Posted: Oct-13
  • 27 of 94
Hello Gil

I am looking to apply to b-school in the spring of 2011. Here is my info:

Age: 26
Background: BS in Mech Eng from Cooper Union, experience in electric+gas+steam utilities. Currently at a small commissioning firm as a lead engineer on large renovations for JPMC, the UN, series of Rockefeller Center bldgs etc. with lead roles on nearly all aspects of building equipment.

GPA is not super strong, 3.0. I have some extracurriculars: various annual fundraisers & tutoring children in math.

What can I do in the next couple of months to become more competitive? I am thinking about getting LEED accredited  (green building program) and getting my EIT in April.

My end goal is to get back into utilities. Preferably natural gas transmission. Would a top 10 school be the way to go, or should I look into programs affiliated with utilities? I am also thinking of taking the more technical route and going for an MEM, but those programs are harder to find & don't offer as much networking value as a top 10 MBA would.

I am not confident in my app beyond my GMAT score as I have done decently on preliminary tests.
Edited Oct-13   by  future62
  • Posted: Oct-13
  • 28 of 94

Gil

I would give my left arm to get into Tepper

 

Would you be interested in doing some pro bono work

 

I will thank you in my PADMABHUSHAN acceptance speech

 

If I wasnt responsible for a 350,000$ mortgage , I would enrol for your services in a heartbeat

 

Burberry

Edited Oct-13   by  burberry
  • Posted: Oct-14
  • 29 of 94
Hello Gil

I am looking to apply to b-school in the spring of 2011. Here is my info:

Age: 26
Background: BS in Mech Eng from Cooper Union, experience in electric+gas+steam utilities. Currently at a small commissioning firm as a lead engineer on large renovations for JPMC, the UN, series of Rockefeller Center bldgs etc. with lead roles on nearly all aspects of building equipment. This background/experience makes you a relatively unique candidate, which is a (small-to-medium) plus.

GPA is not super strong, 3.0. I have some extracurriculars: various annual fundraisers & tutoring children in math.

What can I do in the next couple of months to become more competitive? I may be missing something... since you're planning to apply in the spring of 2011, I assume you meant next couple of years, hope that's OK. I am thinking about getting LEED accredited  (green building program) and getting my EIT in April.
A few things for you to think about doing/achieving in the next couple of years: to get promoted at work (preferably more than once); to accumulate impressive achievements at work (especially leadership-oriented); to try to get to a situation where you manage people - preferably regular direct reports (and if that's not possible, then on a project or in a matrix); to boost your community contribution (preferably in a leadership-oriented context); to consider initiating/co-founding/setting up a project/department/organization (either at work, or outside of work) and making it successful; to mark a few potential recommenders and deepen/strengthen your relationship with them; to consider whether it's possible for you to get an MS (or other degree) with distinction/excellence in order to counter your undergrad GPA (the contribution of such effort to your admission chances will be small to medium - consider if it's worth the investment of time and money); and to get in touch with Vocaz or a similar company in order to start developing your strategy (this may help you make effective decisions (admission-chances-wise) from now on).


My end goal is to get back into utilities. Preferably natural gas transmission. Would a top 10 school be the way to go, or should I look into programs affiliated with utilities? I am also thinking of taking the more technical route and going for an MEM, but those programs are harder to find & don't offer as much networking value as a top 10 MBA would.

I am not confident in my app beyond my GMAT score as I have done decently on preliminary tests.
Our expertise is "how to get in", so I don't have an expert answer to this question. My initial reaction, in light of your focus, background and credentials, is that MEM or a program affiliated with utilities may the  way to go, UNLESS (and I'm not even sure about that) you are able to get into H/S/W or something close. The world is full of MBA's, but possibly doesn't have enough strong managers with solid subject-matter backgroud. I suspect that utility companies, and your future bosses down the line, will appreciate the focus and the industry-specific, management-oriented knowledge/background which you can accumulate through MEM, utility management, or similar programs.

Hope this helps.
Gil




Gil Levi

Academic Director

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www.Vocaz.com

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